Vinculadas en cartas no controladas, Vaso Canope y Copiartex
Publicado: Jue Oct 06, 2011 6:06 pm1st - The FAQ states that "When an effect causes control of a card to change, control of any attachments on that card does not change. The attachments remain attached to that card and will continue to affect that card as described in their card text. They also remain under control of the player who originally played them." How would that affect attachments with triggered abilities of their own, like Prize Pistol or the Khopesh of the Abyss? Would it's original contoller still be able to use that abilities, even when he doesn't control the cards they're attached to anymore, because he still control the attachment, or is he forbidden of doing so?
2nd - We're having some problems with Canopic Jar's second triggered ability, which reads "Response: Exhaust Canopic Jar and discard a card attached to it to trigger that card's ability without paying any cost." First, how do you play a Response that has no trigger?. Second, the ability says it ignores costs but, Does it also ignore discarded card ability's own triggers, like Diseased sewer rats' "after you play DSR..." or should they still be fullfilled?
3rd - I remember a CCG era addenum to the "self referential cards" rule that stated that when a card copied an ability that included a self referency, the name of the card in the self referency changed to match the name of the copying card. Is it still applied? I haven't found it in any LCG era rules document.
An specific scenario: If my opponent has a Cavern of the Flame in play, Can I exhaust my Neil's Curiosity Shop to ready and remove a non-dreamer from a story, or I cannot because I should have exhausted a Cavern of the flame instead?
1 - Yes, a player can still activate an attachment on a character they no longer control, as long as the activation of the attachment does not require you to pay a cost that involves the attached character. You cannot wound, exhaust, sacrifice, drive insane, or in any other way pay a cost with a card you do not control.
2 - The second ability on Canopic Jar should be Action: not a response. Something like Diseased Sewer Rats ability (after you play Diseased Sewer Rats, is not a cost, it is a play restriction. Since the DSR attached to Canopic Jar is not played it cannot trigger its response to them being played, unless the card says to ignore all restrictions.
3 - No, I am unaware of any such CCG ruling, but there definitely is no such ruling for CoC LCG. When you copy an ability you copy the entire ability, the only exceptions will be printed on the copying cards effect, such as ignoring costs, etc.
Vale, estas eran las preguntas y las respuestas de Damon Stone, ahora una traducción rapida:
1ª- Le preguntaba que pasa cuando una carta vinculada que originalmente pusimos en un personaje que controlabamos, pasa a estar en un personaje que ya no controlamos debido a que nos lo han robado (pero no nos quitan el control de la Vinculada, eso lo pone en el FAQ). La respuesta es que si esa carta tiene habilidades por si sola (ved la Pistola de Trofeo o el Khopesh del Abismo por ejemplo) puedes seguir usandolas (ya que tu sigues controlando la vinculada) siempre que no tengas que pagar el coste de la acción con nada que no controles.
2ª- Le preguntaba por el Vaso Canope, ya que su segunda habilidad es una Respuesta que no tiene disparador, y eso no podria usarse nunca, y además preguntaba si los disparadores propios de las habilidades de los personajes que descartas se ignoran también, aparte de los costes. La respuesta es que su segunda habilidad deberia ser una Acción: y que no puedes ignorar disparadores como los de las Ratas, ya que el Vaso no indica que deban ignorarse las Restricciones.
3ª- Le preguntaba por las cartas que copian habilidades de otras con autoreferencias, ya que antiguamente las autoreferencias se cambiaban al copiar algo para que la habilidad copiada siguiera funcionando en la carta copiadora, pero ya no es el caso; si la habilidad te pide que agotes X, debes agotar X a pesar de que la habilidad este en Y (lo cual hace que no puedas pagar la habilidad, vamos).
