Snow Graves + Yithianos/Festival

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Snow Graves + Yithianos/Festival

Notapor sectario el Mié Sep 04, 2013 8:07 pm

Una duda que es muy interesante.

Pregunta escribió:Nikola Tesla--"Forced Response: After you trigger an effect from your discard pile, put a success token on Nikola Tesla.
Disrupt: When Nikola Tesla would be destroyed, move all success tokens on him to any number of revealed story cards"

The Festival--"Action: Exhaust The Festival and sacrifice a resource to search your deck for a card and attach it to a drained domain as a resource. Shuffle your deck.
Action: Attach The Festival to a domain as a resource (Limit 1 per turn.) This effect can only be triggered from your discard pile."

Snow Graves--"Attach to a player's discard pile.
Cards cannot be moved out of attached discard pile for any reason."

Q: Referencing the following cards, if Player 1 has Nikola Tesla in play and The Festival in discard, with Snow Graves attached to that discard pile, what happens when attempting to use The Festival's secondary action? The Festival cannot leave the discard pile due to Snow Graves, but does this fail in step 1b) 'Action is initiated - Check play restrictions' and so the action cannot trigger, or does this trigger (including invoking Nikola Tesla's Forced Response and using up the Limit 1 per turn) but then fail in step 3) Action is executed?

Si el jugador 1 tiene Nikola Tesla en juego, y The Festival en la pila de descartes con Snow Graves vinculada a su pila de descartes, ¿Que sucede cuando se intenta usar el The Festival? The Festival no puede dejar la pila de descartes por el Snow Graves, pero esto no afecta al paso 1b) Acción inicializada-Comprobar las restricicones del juego,

Echando mano de la FAQ
"Actions and Responses in Detail": mostrar
Actions and Responses in Detail
When a player takes an action it is always fully resolved before the next action can be taken. The actual resolution of an action, however, and the state of cards during this process, can be complex. When an action is triggered, it opens an action window governed by the following rules.
1. Action is initiated.
2. Disrupts
3. Action is executed.
4. Passive abilities (requirements now met) are initiated.
I. Passive ability is initiated.
II. Disrupts
III. Passive ability is executed. (Follow steps I through V, etc.)
IV. Other passive abilities (requirements now met) are initiated.
V. Forced Responses are initiated.
5. Forced Responses (requirements now met) are initiated.
I. Forced Response ability is triggered.
II. Disrupts
III. Forced Response is executed. (Follow steps I through V, etc.)
IV. Passive abilities are initiated.
V. Other forced responses (requirements now met) are initiated.
6. Responses
I. Response is initiated.
II. Disrupts
III. Response is executed. (Follow steps I through V, etc.)
IV. Passive abilities (requirements now met) are initiated.
V. Forced Responses (requirements now met) are initiated.
7. End of Action.


El punto 1-se inicio la acción tiene a la vez el siguiente desglose:
"The Action Window in Detail": mostrar
The Action Window in Detail
1) Action is initiated
After a player initiates an action, the timing window starts.
For the initiation stage of any player action, a player must go through the following sub steps, in order. The first step is always revealing the card or declaring the intent to use an ability. Then:
a) Determine the cost (to either play the card or pay for the card’s effect) or costs (if multiple costs are necessary for the intended action).
b) Check play restrictions, including verification and designation of applicable targets or cards to be effected.
c) Apply any penalties to the cost(s). (Any effects that modify a penalty are applied to that penalty before it becomes a part of the cost.)
d) Apply any other active modifiers (including reducers) to the cost(s).
e) Pay the cost(s).
f) Play the card, or trigger the effect, and proceed to step two.


La pregunta parte de la base que la acción se inicializa, pero en el punto 1b deja de cumplirse ya que The Festiva no puede salir de la pila de descartes. Pero al menos, ya se ha inicializado la acción, y por lo tanto Tesla ganaría su contador


Respuesta de Damon escribió:A: The action cannot be triggered since it cannot be resolved.
http://community.fantasyflightgames.com ... one/page-4

Y punto pelota. Con lo que gran parte de las cartas de los yithianos dejarían de ser útiles si tienen un Snow Graves en la pila de descartes.


El Interstellar Migration dejará de ser útil, ya que requiere salir de la pila de descartes
Interstellar Migration escribió:
Interstellar Migration
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Type : Event
Cost : 2
Subtype : Yithian.
Game Text : Action: Choose a Yithian character and return it to its owner's hand.
Action: Put Interstellar Migration on the bottom of your deck to choose a deck. Discard X cards from that deck. X is equal to the number of Yithian cards in your discard pile. This effect can only be triggered from your discard pile.
Flavor text :
Illustrator : Paul Carrick
Collector's Info : The Key and The Gate F37




Más curioso será que sucederá con el Yithian Scout. Si la carta revelada es personaje el yithiano sigue en la pila de descartse por lo que podría activarse desde la pila de descartes. Si la carta revelada no es personaje no cumple las restricciones por lo que no podría activarse. ¿Curioso verdad? Sólo sabes si se puede activar o no una vez ya ha comenzado la activación
Yithian Scout
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- Steadfast [YOG-SOTHOTH][YOG-SOTHOTH] -
Type : Character
Cost : 1
Skill : 1
Icons :
Subtype : Yithian. Investigator.
Game Text : Response: After Yithian Scout enters the discard pile from play, search your deck for a card named Yithian Scout and put it in your hand.
Action: Discard a card from each opponent's deck. (Limit once per turn.) If a non-character card is discarded in this way, put Yithian Scout into play from your discard pile. This effect can only be triggered from your discard pile.
Flavor text :
Illustrator : Rafal Hrynkiewicz
Collector's Info : The Key and The Gate F15
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